Jill Zarin Spills 'Secrets' on 'Toxic' Bethenny

While her feud with Bethenny Frankel heats up on Bravo's 'Real Housewives of New York City,' off-screen Jill Zarin has pushed the backlash aside to promote her debut book, 'Secrets of a Jewish Mother.' Co-written with her mother, Gloria Kamen, and sister, Lisa Wexler, 'Secrets' shares practical advice on everything from fashion and dating to money and motherhood.
This season of 'Housewives' has taken the fight between former best friends Bethany and Jill to a new level. "I keep getting judged on behavior I may have done already. I sort of wanted to let people know I have tried and I've been trying for six months. Should I bawl my brains out? What do you want me to do?" says Jill.
Jill sat down with
PopEater to spill her thoughts on being snubbed from Bethenny's wedding, celebrity parenting and what to expect from the rest of this season of 'Housewives.'
You've just released your book, 'Secrets of a Jewish Mother,' a compilation of advice and stories you co-authored with your mother, Gloria Kamen and sister, Lisa Wexler. What celebrity moms are doing a great job raising their kids?
Oh, there's so many, but it's hard to know. We say this in the book, 'You can't take all the credit, and you can't take all the blame.' So the product of a parent doesn't mean they were or weren't a good parent necessarily. Like, my daughter has turned out to be a great kid. Do I get all the credit for that?
Well, is there any celebrity you feel could really use a Jewish mother in their life?
I think we all could use a Jewish mother. Because what a Jewish mother really is, is an advocate -- an advocate for everything in a child's life. I think that's what makes the difference from other moms, is being very proactive and aggressive in our ideals. We believe if it's worth saying once, it's worth saying a thousand times -- 'Clean up your room, clean up your room, clean up your room; finish your homework, finish your homework, finish your homework,' whereas maybe other parents may be more passive and let their kids either figure it out on their own or just do it differently. I always lived in a Jewish house, so it's hard for me to compare.
I have a Jewish mother and you're dead on.
You'll get a kick out of the book and so will she! It might give her some ideas. Because as a mother, you're never done. I'm 46 and my mother is still my mommy and still telling me exactly what to do, and her mother did the same for her until she died. You're gonna laugh your ass off at this book.
As far as this season of 'Housewives' is concerned, you're feuding with Bethenny Frankel and we're simply not used to seeing this side of you. How have your fans reacted?
No one's happy with this season, but I've had a lot of fans who have been unbelievably supportive. I don't have much control, but it's what I signed up for -- don't hate the player, hate the game. I feel bad. I'm sorry about a lot of things I did and the way I did them. This is the truth, and I'm not trying to complain, but I didn't know things that were going on around me. I didn't know [Bethenny's] father was sick. Even though Alex said something to me like, 'Bethenny needs you right now, it's her father,' I asked if it was medical, and she didn't say yes. I should have picked up on the body language. When I walked out and saw [Ramona] sitting talking to Bethenny on the sofa, I'm horrified by my reaction because I didn't even see her. All I saw was an ambush, because I was going there to do a clothing thing and not expecting Bethenny. I wasn't prepared, so all I was thinking to myself was, 'I can't believe Ramona did this to me.' So I wasn't even paying attention to what was coming out of Bethenny's mouth, and now that I'm hearing it, I feel really bad about the way I reacted. If I had to do it over again, I would. But I can't take it back. All I can do is say I'm sorry, which I have, and beg forgiveness.
In true 'Housewives' fashion, let's get to the drama! We've read in the press that you were hurt you weren't invited to Bethenny's wedding. Did you reach out to Bethenny at all?
I did. And it wasn't that I was hurt, I was sad. I think I used the wrong word. I wasn't hurt because I don't blame her. I wouldn't want the problems with her and I to be at her wedding; I wanted it to be all about her. So I was just sad. I look back and we had so much fun together, so many good times, and it just really got derailed and could've got back on track easily and quickly had it been off-camera. But because it's a TV show and there's production people involved and people setting up behind my back, you start to get paranoid. I was very paranoid, I was out of my mind. Really. I don't know how else to explain it. I'm not going to say I was right, that's for sure. So how do I handle it? I thank God I have my family and my friends and my fans to understand. Everyone who's nasty to me should look in the mirror, because if you have the answer to being perfect in life, to know outcomes in advance, please share. I'd like to know how to do that.
They say motherhood changes women. Bethenny will be giving birth soon and you've just written this book -- do you think her becoming a mother could kind of close the gap between you two?
I hope yes. I don't know if it's about motherhood, but I hope her and I can come to a place of peace. I'm not mad at her. I don't even remember what the fight was about anymore, it's been so long. You know? Who remembers?
Last Monday, you had quite the controversial Facebook status. It read, 'So... what do you do when you have a fight with a friend.. and you don't want to make up yet... then when your ready they don't want to? You write, call and send gifts. Suggestions welcome!'
The reason I wrote that is [because] so many fans are lost with where I stand. Remember, this happened nine months ago. They think what they tell me today is going to affect the outcome. What happened, happened, I can't change it. But I'll still get an e-mail or a Facebook thing that says, 'You have to forgive Bethenny. You have to call her. You have to e-mail her.' I did all that a long time ago. No one knows what I've been doing. I keep getting judged on behavior I may have done already. I sort of wanted to let people know I have tried and I've been trying for six months. Should I bawl my brains out? What do you want me to do?
What do you hope for in the next season of 'Housewives?'
I'm looking to make new relationships and always hoping for the best. Bethenny will be gone next season, so I think it'll be much more peaceful. That sort of sucked a lot of oxygen out, and that happened in the beginning of the season, and then we didn't see each other for a very long time. But the show is making that the whole season -- it's all out of timing. What seems like a long time to you, it all happens within a week. All these little fights with Bethenny and whatever, I just needed a chance to breathe. I didn't know what was going on. It was drama, toxic. I just couldn't handle it. They kept pushing Bethenny on me. I just needed to be left alone for a minute, but it didn't work, and they made me the scapegoat, and here I am. But I've got a great book out I think people will love.
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NEW YORK - APRIL 13: Jill Zarin attends her "Secrets Of A Jewish Mother" Book Launch Party at Zarin Fabrics on April 13, 2010 in New York City. (Photo by Moises De Pena/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Jill Zarin
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NEW YORK - APRIL 13: Jennifer Gilbert and Kelly Bensimon attend Jill Zarin's "Secrets Of A Jewish Mother" Book Launch Party at Zarin Fabrics on April 13, 2010 in New York City. (Photo by Moises De Pena/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Jennifer Gilbert;Kelly Bensimon
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NEW YORK - APRIL 13: Caroline Manzo attends Jill Zarin's "Secrets Of A Jewish Mother" Book Launch Party at Zarin Fabrics on April 13, 2010 in New York City. (Photo by Moises De Pena/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Caroline Manzo
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NEW YORK - APRIL 13: Ally Zarin attends Jill Zarin's "Secrets Of A Jewish Mother" Book Launch Party at Zarin Fabrics on April 13, 2010 in New York City. (Photo by Moises De Pena/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Ally Zarin
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Jill Zarin's grammar is atrocious.
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DEAN: Better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt.
I agree with Ms. Crank - her pronouns are off the charts bad. She invariably uses a subject pronoun when she should be using an object pronoun and vice versa. She has a 50% chance and ALWAYS gets it wrong!!!! Actually they all do. The grammar is atrocious across the board. No use of subjunctive when necessary. Ending sentences with prepositions. Arghhhh!! Maybe I'm too old-fashioned but for me It's like fingernails across a chalk board!
Why do you think you have to offer advice to anyone , if you can't even keep a true friendship between you & Bethany , It's really about Money & Glam ..I think you are superfical & always has to have the last word , I wouldn't read your book for even the cliff notes..You need to really get a LIFE !!!
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I agree Jill Zarin need to "GET A HOBBY" and no Jill people are not hobbies!{ from Bethany to Lu Ann}
I agree with Danny. Some women don't have lives of their own so they make their significant other or their friends lives THEIR lives too. I have been in that situation where I had a friend try to make me her whole life. I'm glad Bethenny told her friend to "get a hobby" because it is suffocating in that situation.
I agree, she is very mean. I hope she get poor one day. And see how the real world is I can't stand her.
Here's my suggestion. Grow up. You are 40 some years old, not 16 but you are acting like it. You are a spoiled, self centered person. You didn't realize you had a good friend in Bethenny, did you? You blew it. Move on. As for things being more peaceful on the show without Bethenny, do you mean boring, because that's what it is going to be. I think you are very jealous of Bethenny, she's young, beautiful and has a very good looking husband. None of you other ladies have any of these traits. Best of luck to Bethenny, Jason and the baby. Much happiness and on to better friends.
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Saying she wants to be friends with Bethenny is just to sell the book because in every single interview she makes sure she puts Bethenny down. She called her a moron for asking why she was on the speaker phone last week and here she ends the interview calling Bethenny toxic once again and saying Jill's mean ways were due to the oxygen being sucked out of the room by Bethenny and cameras. Well at 11pm I bet there were no camera men on her during the season of filming and she could have picked up the phone then but didn't.
Jill, in your book you say if a friend asks for forgiveness 3 times and don't receive it they need to move on because they've done all they can do and the sin is on the one who would not forgive.
Bethenny did that. You said "we're done". Now that your fans rebelled and you want the book to sell you want forgiveness. Girlfriend, the sin is on you.
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I won't watch the show anymore if Bethany isn't on it. I can't stand Jill - she is toxic; she is mean; she does need a hobby! Jill - it's not all about you! Oh and, Kelly - she needs to cover up her 40+ legs - we are sick of looking at them! Maybe Kelly can wear a fur dress, that goes below the knees, instead of a fur vest!
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It might have happened 9 months ago for you Jill, but you are not new to this TV business so you already knew it would happen like that. Quit calling Bethenny "toxic". I know you are upset that the fans have turned on YOU and you don't like it so you are trying to say that you have been trying to make up with Bethenny now? That girl tried so hard when all this was going down, NOW that you are ready to forgive, what, she suppose to jump up and down with glee? I am happy Bethenny won't be there next season, you forgot to mention it was because she will have her OWN show. I won't watch Housewives of New York after this season, I will be watching Bethenny's new show. Good for her!
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I used to be a fan of Jill. After watching the show, I am Bethenny's fan. Jill, Ramona was right...you love the underdog. You liked Bethenny when she had no boyfriend or a child. Now she has both and you want nothing to do with her. You moved on to LuAnn bc she was going thru a divorce and became your new underdog. YOU ruined your friendship with Bethenny. Shame on you!
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I wonder why it was held in her fabric store of all places...how chessy! She plugs that place any chance she gets.
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I had a similar situation with "so-called friends". They were invited by me into my life,and then proceeded to take over. When I had some minor disagreements with them, they turned on me and did everything they could to destroy me, just as Jill is doing to Bethenny. In my case,they were able to draw others into their web against me, as Jill is trying to do with the other housewives. Alientation, exclusion, shunning. It is all the actions of a sociopath. Look up the definition and you will see Jill described. Always smiling, leader of my organizations, and the head of a clique - Queenbee as in mean girls in High school. I feel so sorry for Bethenny because I know exactly how she feels.
I agree that I will not watch the show if Bethenny is not on it. Jill accused Bethenny of doing anything for money. That is a joke. What is Jill's book all about -- money! Every chance she gets she pimps Zarin Fabrics. She is pathetic!! She and LuAnn deserve each other. As far as Kelly -- she needs to invest in a brain!
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Wow, Jill. Nine months later and you're still back-peddling your poor behavior and trying to push it onto Bethenny, Alex and Ramona. Shame on you. Until you step up, own what you've done, and apologize publicly to Bethenny, I think most viewers will have a real issue with your credibility. I'm glad you weren't invited to the wedding, you didn't deserve to be there, so quit your bellyaching already.
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I think Jill has and is being childish still. To say that it will be more peacful with Bethanny gone...HELLO have you met Ramona and the Countess Luanne....and yes Jill, I have looked in the mirror and recognized my mistakes. Have you?
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Ahmm... That would be Count-Less LuAnne. I do believe, the
Count/Countess titles stay with with the Count. After the devorce, LuAnne reverts back to life without the title.
Lighten up on Jill Z. I think I'd rather have Jill as a friend than Bethanney. With Jill, she is your friend. A friend that does get into your business, but so what. A grown-up should be able to set barriers. I like that you can depend on Jill. With Bethanney you have to always be just what she wants you to be. Like some psyhic or something. God help you if you have a bad day around her. She gets so hateful. Her mouth is like a razor blade. This terrible argument was escalated by the producers. I hope that both Jill and Bethanney can resolve their differences and get their friendship back.
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Yep me tooooo I would rather Jill over simpering, poor me I am a victim any day - Bethany