Tim Gunn Spills the Beans on Martha Stewart's 'Dismal Daughter' and 'Lovely' Padma Lakshmi

By Nicki Gostin Posted Sep 28th 2010 07:39PM

The inimitable Tim Gunn, beloved mentor to 'Project Runway's' aspiring fashionistas and voice of reason in the sometimes outlandish fashion industry, has a new book out called 'Gunn's Golden Rules: Life's Little Lessons for Making It Work.' In the book, he shares what he's learned about becoming successful at work and in personal relationships from his esteemed career, which has taken him from the Parsons School for Design and 'Project Runway' to published author and chief creative officer at Liz Claiborne. Filled with behind-the-scenes gossip from 'Runway,' the book is a fun read, and in it, Gunn is bracingly honest when discussing his dysfunctional family and love life.

Gunn recently talked to PopEater about manners (or rather, lack thereof), the kerfuffle over his comments about Vogue editor Anna Wintour, Martha Stewart, taking the high road, his suicide attempt and J. Edgar Hoover's cross dressing.

You've got a great story in the book of watching Anna Wintour being carried down flights of stairs by her bodyguards.
I have to add that that story alone would never have made it into the book. There's no lesson there. The only reason it appeared is because of the aftermath of having it published in a newspaper and having four days of bullying from her to retract it. She wouldn't accept responsibility for her behavior. I never went after her character.

Isn't that weird? She knew it was true -- why try and make you say it wasn't?
I honestly don't know. It's revisionist history. I will say this about people in the fashion industry: When their behavior is consistently of a particular type, they don't remember anything. It's just the way that they are. For me as an observer, it's like having shock treatment.

You write a lot about manners. It seems a lot of people don't have them anymore.
I don't know what happened. I wanted to present an antidote to all this bad behavior.

Doesn't the fashion industry encourage bad behavior?
I'd like to think that the tide has changed and that people are becoming more respectful and more self-aware about behavior and the importance of treating people respectfully and behaving responsibly because this industry is such a huge collaboration. You need to be respectful of other people, and generally respect has a positive tone to it.

In the book, you mention that Padma Lakshmi ('Top Chef') didn't return e-mails but you did it as a blind item.
I did originally say her name, but the legal department at Simon and Schuster took it out. But let me tell you this fabulous story. She sent me the loveliest, longest handwritten letter and this gorgeous box of chocolates, saying, "Oh my God, I'm so embarrassed. I'm so apologetic." It was lovely of her. I was completely disarmed.

So, you can be had for a box of chocolates?
Yes!

I laughed out loud when you described the dysfunctional relationship between Martha Stewart and her daughter, Alexis.
You know, I have great respect and affection for Martha Stewart. It's really about her dismal daughter. When I was at 'The Daily Show' two weeks ago, the producers told me that when Martha was there, she came with Alexis and that's exactly how Alexis was in the green room. She had this profanity-laced Tourettes. She was saying all these horrible things about her mother, who was right there, and her mother wasn't responding at all, acting as if she was deaf.

Alexis calls her mom a "f**king bitch" in front of her?
Yes! It's the most peculiar thing in the world.

You also have a great story about when you were visiting the FBI as a kid with your dad, who worked for J. Edgar Hoover, and he took you in to visit Vivian Vance from 'I Love Lucy,' but you were pretty sure it was Hoover in drag.
I never ever would have dredged up that memory had it not been for when all the stuff came out about Hoover's cross dressing. Simon and Schuster did a lot of work looking at the guest logs of the FBI, and there's no record of Vivian Vance being logged in, and they spoke to her two biographers and have no information about her visiting the FBI or Mr. Hoover.

It's pretty shocking to me that you weren't paid for the first two seasons of 'Project Runway.'
Until I met my agent, I didn't know anyone was paid. I met my agent at an awards dinner. We were both sitting at a 'Project Runway' table, and he asked me who represents me and I said, proudly, "No one. Why?" And he said, "Well, who's negotiating your contract?" I said, "Well, I just sign whatever is put in front of me."

You know the producers must have laughed when they shut the door.
I'm sure of it. At the dinner, they started yelling at my agent to stop talking to me and they were yelling to me that I didn't need an agent.

Another thing that upset me is that you've been single since 1982. Are you looking?
I'm interested. Am I looking? No. I would never say I'll never get into another relationship, but I will share this with you: I feel like I haven't graduated from psycho analysis because I choke when I feel like I'm approaching intimacy with another person, and it has to do with reliving the breakup of my first serious relationship because it was so horrible. It was just excruciatingly horrible, and I had to keep working with the guy. But things happen for a reason. If we'd stayed together, I would never have moved to New York.

You also write about your self-loathing when you were a teen.
I think that's what led to my suicide attempt. I was disgusted at who I was afraid of becoming. Today, there are so many more role models for gay teens and young adults. I'm proud to say I hope I'm one of them.

If you can impart one lesson from the book, what would it be?
Take the high road. You will never regret it. No matter how much anger and strife you feel you're facing, no matter how badly you want to lash out, don't do it. You'll never regret taking the high road. There isn't one single time that I've lashed out that I haven't deeply regretted it.

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Tuesday 28 September

By ClassyLady

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I am always so impressed with Tim Gunn-- he has an incredibly sincere demeanor and seems like such a great person-- a rarity to find in people anymore.

By hhkll

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him from the Parsons School for Design and 'Project Runway' to published

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By SAL

WHAT A GREAT GUY, HE IS SO DAPPER, A REAL GENTLEMEN.HANG IN THERE TIM.

By Nico Toscani

His book is titled: "How To Be A Pretentious Fruitcake".

By rudewaitress

Did you write the forward? Or did you just buy the book as kind of a 'refresher course'?

Wednesday 29 September

I did the illustrations of him eating giant d*cks.

By Monica

I am such a Tim Gunn fan. I am shocked to learn that he wasn't paid for his first two seasons on Project Runway. Heidi Klum, the show's executive producer, should be ashamed of herself!

By Don

Martha Stewart largely IS a f***ing b**ch off camera and always has been (no woman that's gotten as far in what is still basically a man's world as she has did it by being super nice or soft regardless of appearances), but Alexis either shouldn't say that in her presence or Martha should have the gumption to make her own child cease such behavior.

By Marg

Tim is a gentleman !! How wonderful.

When we were kids we had to be polite and act in a mannerly way. My children and my grandchildren have always been praised for having such good manners. I think that is the normal way to act. Don't get me wrong, we are not uptight. We all have great senses of humor; we act; we dance, we sing, and do many wonderful fun things. So life is not less with manners, it is more.

I love what you said Tim about taking the high road, it really is the best way. Bless you Tim keep up the good work.

Love, Marg

By ebicious

Tim is a wonderful example to all people -- straight or gay. Love watching him. Thanks Tim!

By helenwiells

Funny...I've never watched this man's shows...but I will now. What a decent man.

By tyrebitre

I have no idea who this man is, but I have to say his answers are very impressive. Sounds like he would be a interesting person to know.

By Anne

I do like Mr. Gunn, but I find it a bit funny to read that he abhors the lack of manners these days and that one should always take the high road. My admiration for him dimmed ever so slightly during an episode of Project Runway a few weeks ago when he accused one of the designers of being a bully. Yes, she was definitely take charge, but the others acted rather wimpy so to call her out specifically in front of the cameras and other designers was just plain mean. I realize that this is probably a personal values judgment call. Mr. Gunn, in my opinion, took the low road in this instance. Otherwise, keep up the wonderful work, Tim!

Tim was being kind. He should have called her the bit ch that she's been since day one. Heidi should have tossed her butt back to the folding room at The Gap instead of putting up with her snide, holier-than-thou BS week after week.

By bigD

I recall the moment you are writing about involving Gretchen. It did cross my mind as well that he sort of lashed out at her but I feel like it was warranted. She is so obnoxious and shows no self-awareness. I think that calling her a bully was something most everybody watching would agree with. (You being the exception perhaps). Her endless ridicule of Michael borders on abuse. She goes on and on and on... And I think Tim's motivation for saying something was that he feels a sense of responsibility to guide them and say, 'Hey, stop it. You don't have to fall in line with eveything she says just because she won the first 2 challenges.' I like his candor and his desire to tell it like it is. Sounds like most people are a fan as am I. Go Tim!

By Dans

love this man- don't watch the show- cannot stand the 'over the top' production quality
and the freaks- and cannot stand heidi klum- when I heard he wasn't paid?
I can't stand her more- but he is wonderful, smart and funny
will love to read his book

By atimtoo

Much Love Tim Gunn!

By uclarn78

Tim is the main reason I watch this show. He is soooo funny. And yes Heidi should be ashamed over not paying Tim for those two seasons. From what I understand she makes a ton of money. Not only does she owe him back pay but she also owes Tim an apolgy.

By gary

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hey nico. just wanted to congratulate you on your expert illustrations of tim gunn eating c+cks. Only someone with the experience of eating them could of done such incredible work. Hopefully you will choke to death on the next one you devour loser.

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